Continued from Samantha, Child's Age 11,13

i was a bedwetter untill i was 17 so when my girls did this it was no surprise.leah 13,has wet most nights although since age 7 it is so little that plastic pants over cotton underware or a small pad is enough.she has occasional day wets but always wears plastic pants and a pad incase.leah also had occasional soiling accidents,mostly in her night nappy when she didnt go toilet befor bed this became a problem after she stopped wearing a nappy each night so i decieded to follow the routine my mother had at that age for me..when leah came in from school i lift her skirt and check if she was wet or had dirtied her pants,then she had to go to the toilet ,take down her underware and sit on the toilet and try hard to poo,whils she sat i would remove her plastic pants and cotton pants.she disliked wearing the plastic pants on their own so they were used as a punishment,if she did a poo she could have clean cotton pants with plasti over them,if she didnt poo she had to wear plastic pants on their own,which also made it easy to check if she started to dirty them.befor bed she had to try again,if she had pooed earlier this was for a short time,if she hadnt it was for a long time,she never objected to this and unlike her younger sister,was quite happy to sit there straining untill she performed,if she didnt perform she then had to wear a cloth nappy and plastic pants to bed,knowing this she would often ask to spend longer on the toilet,even when she was told to get off,it was the times she didnt perform tha we had very wet and sometimes soiled beds,so hence the nappy.on nights when a nappy is worn,it is checked when she comes to breakfast,if its dirty she is changed,if it is wet she waits till after breakfast,goes into the toilet ,the nappy is removed and she tries to poo befor school.she takes a shower,i discuss with her what underwear she will need and check she has spare pads/pants/creme etc.now she carries this routine out herself,informing me of her needs.the advise i need concerns my 11 yr old jasmin--this routine has been tried but she still needs a nappy each night which is soaked and often soiled,her underwear during the day is dirty and wet,she wets herself when she plays out and doesent seem to notice.when she comes in from school she asks for a pad and plastic pants saying she wants to poo if i put them on her i soon find her watching tv or outside and she will be kneeling or squatting and straining to poo in them.these are not soft runny poos that might be hard to hold,these are big,solid,hard poos that she struggles to strain out,recently she spent the whole duration of a film on tv,kneeling,standing,squatting,the whole time straining, she was wearing plastic pants and pad, i checked in her pants to see if she had done it,the pad was wet and she was straining so hard she had made her bum bleed ,but she wont even strain a little on the toilet,well on this occasion i took her to the toilet pulled her pants off made her sit on the toilet and told her if she didnt do as she had been she would be spanked,well she refused,so she was spanked,i told her again to do it or get spanked again, this time she strained and strained but was trying to stand up,so i held her down and smacked her again,eventually she did apoo,but straight away wanted a proper nappy on,which she wet within minuits. the situation is the dr says there is nothing medically wrong. she makes no effort to visit the toilet,will wake up wet during the night,knowing she needs to wee will just further wet her nappy which floods into the bed.despite making her go toilet each night and sit there straining she still soils the nappy, if anyone has any suggestions please post them,or if anyone has had a similar situation please tell me what you have tried. thanks samantha